Tuesday, March 30, 2010

backpacking in crater lake

we have four days in crater lake near the end of july. my husband and i (avid backpackers) will be joined by my dad (never been backpacking before, 52 years old, in very good shape). my dad is very scared of heights - he%26#39;s ok if there%26#39;s something there to break his possible fall (lots of trees, etc.), but he%26#39;s not so good with heights with sheer drops and panoramic views. i%26#39;m not sure if this makes sense:) basically, he can handle the panoramic view heights if he%26#39;s on a broad area, but not if there%26#39;s a sheer drop right off the edge. hmmm... hope that makes sense. anyways, our original plan was to take him to hike the grand canyon, which my husband and i have done before, but this is when i found out about the heights problem.





we would like to have him join us in crater lake, but even with topo maps you can%26#39;t get the information i need.





can anyone recommend an overnight backpacking trip (maybe even two nights) adhering to what i just described? i think he would absolutely love the solitude and peace of backpacking.





how about day hikes?





thanks!



backpacking in crater lake


Been a while since hiking there, so no direct response. However, you will find the NPS very helpful in identifying trails/routes to meet you and your dad%26#39;s needs. Don%26#39;t know if they will do it by email, but you can check out the website which lists trails. Did you try the Green maps?



backpacking in crater lake


When I think of really good oregon backpacking, I think of places a bit north of crater lake, so I dont know how much help I can be on crater lake proper. I don%26#39;t really think of Crater Lake as a big backpacking place, but I dont want to sell the place short-since I haven%26#39;t been backpacking in the Park.



You could try looking at Sky Lakes Wilderness-which is a bit S of Crater Lake or the Pacific Crest Trail? I did a day hike in Sky Lakes, and it was pretty enjoyable hike through the trees, but not alot of views(or heights). I%26#39;ve also hiked on the North Umpqua River Trail-which was really nice, but again not really in Crater Lake NP. How far do you want to hike in your trip? Do you need to have a loop route? I would also suggest to check with the National Park Service at Crater Lake-they might have some good ideas. There are tons of places to go hiking in the area...




I agree with Chinook that there are many beautiful trails outside of the park as well. I%26#39;ve experienced some vertigo at Crater Lake, looking down at the lake from the crater rim so I can relate to your dad! On the other hand the view is so gorgeous that I just suck it up...





A branch of the PCT runs along the Rim Drive, and another runs further west but I don%26#39;t know much about the terrain. There is a good *general* map of the area and trails at: closertonature.com/maps/crater-lake-map.htm




Thanks fiveforfun! that was the map i was looking for -i couldn%26#39;t find it on the crater lake webpage. I%26#39;ve never been to sphagum bog in the nw section of crater lake national park. but i have heard it is really cool if you are in to rare plants-most notiable the carnivorous variety called sundew. It%26#39;s supposed to be beautiful too of course! You can not camp directly at sphagum bog, but it looks like there are other camping sites around.




The bog sounds really cool - thanks for the tip!





Sunshinetraveler, do you have any other questions about the area?




thanks very much everyone. your info is awesome. i think we%26#39;ll probably do some crater lake day hikes and move on to backpack elsewhere. we were looking at visiting further north later anyways.





chinook, where else do you recommend in oregon for backpacking?





thanks so much.




I am not chinook, but we are backpackers. Central Oregon is fantastic for this! Also around Mt. Hood (Timberline Trail is really good), the gorge (Eagle Creek), and just over the border into WA around Mt. Adams. We did one trip over in Eastern OR, but for a short trip out here that might be more driving than you want.




I must confess that I haven%26#39;t really done alot of backpacking-just alot of long dayhikes(12mi) in backpacking areas.



Try Three Sisters Wilderness-in Central Oregon. It is heavily used-because it is just so neat. I%26#39;ve only been up to Green Lakes and then climbed S. Sister in this area, but it is a really beautiful area. If you want less people-would definetly recomend going during the week.





Also try Mt Jefferson Wilderness-I haven%26#39;t been I%26#39;ve heard good things about Marion Lake area %26amp; Scout Lake/Russel Lake area.



There was a fire in 2003 so the Marion Lake area may have some burnt parts-check with the FS if interested in this area.




chinook--Isn%26#39;t the South Sister a great climb?! Jeff Park is a great place to backpack. Lots of small lakes there to enjoy too. Both of these are definitely places to go midweek like you mention.

Help ...Phirl

My cousin and I are leaving Astoria on Thursday April 26 to overnight in the Geneden Beach/Newport area. We%26#39;re visiting friends for a few hours in Gleneden beach and hope to end up in Newport. for one night/. I remember that you have Trendwest and my cousin is the one I went to for the Lake Chelan/Leavenworth question you had.





She has Trendwest and currently we are waitlisted for Depot Bay or Newport. Gleneden may be available - but would like to go further down the coast. I have confirmed space at the La Quinta in Newport. What do you think of the three Trendwests if we have a choice?





Foodwise - planned to eat dinner at Canyon Way in Newport - but a recent postings said that it had slipped. Is this so? Also considering the Side Door or Chowder Bowl in in Gleneden Beach/Depot Bay. Don%26#39;t mind a short backtrack.





Not doing the Newport Aquarium this trip - I did it when Keiko was there and also three years ago. Going to do the Monterey Aquarium %26amp; Sea World in San Diego this time.





Still curious aboout your family tree - maybe we are related!



Help ...Phirl


We are at Depoe Bay right now. but we are owners, not sure how easy it is to get in. with points. we have stayed at gleneden nice facility will stay again it is on beach. Depoe Bay is not, it is on rocky shore





Schooners landing is like chelan only a few units. Have never gotten in there.





We rarely eat out, but were not impressed with Chowder Bowl in Depoe Bay. Chowder Bowl in newport is good. Usaully when we go out Mos is first on liist, my wife has to have the clam chowder.





Much of my family came west in 1852, except my grandparents from Donegal. who cam 1890s



Help ...Phirl


If you decide against the Chowder Bowl, you may want to consider a meal at the Salishan Lodge %26amp; Spa in Gleneden Beach. We had a very nice lunch there last summer, the property is beautiful, situated on a golf course. We also toured the spa which was the prettiest one I%26#39;ve seen on the Oregon Coast.





You will love the Monterey Bay Aquarium and SeaWorld. We were in SeaWorld the first week of this past Dec. and had a great time! Enjoy your travels! :)




Hi genealjean,





We own a second home in Gleneden Beach and were there just a couple weekends ago. Ok, small town stuff here, but it might help....while at the post office in Gleneden (which is right next door to the the Side Door) people were talking about the Side Door and its opeating schedule. As of two weekends ago they were operating on a hit and miss basis due to a family situation. So if you have your heart set on the Side Door you might want to call first to make sure they are open that day. Hate for you to make the back track from Depoe Bay or even Newport to find out they were closed.





Another favorite of ours is Tidal Raves in Depoe Bay.





Tahiti




Thanks all



We will probably wind up at the LaQuinta in Newport as I have a decent rate there. And at the Canyon Way. It looks like the Trendwest may not break. My cousin could get us into Seaside - but since we spend our first night in Astoria - that is too close.





Yes, Syrahgirl you and I are probably the only ones on the T.A. posts who like the Peter Iredale and the Tillamook Blimp hanger - we plan to go to both and also stop at the Tillamook and Blue Heron Cheese places. My cousin hasn%26#39;t been to Ft Clatsop and I have a couple of favorite stores in Cannon Beach. We%26#39;ll do a lunch stop just for chowder at Mo%26#39;s at Tolvana.





Tahiti Girl -Sorry to hear aboout the problems at the Side Door. The menu looked good. FYI, I spent a week in Tahati, Moorea, and Bora Bora back in the 1970%26#39;s - It was glorious and Bora Bora is one of my favorite spots on earth.





I knew I liked you Phirl. I am one quarter Irish on my mom%26#39;s side - My great grandfather Michael Weir came from Co. Mayo in 1861 and then to Washington Territory in 1886. Part of this trip with my Weir cousins is to Sacramento where they arrived by train, the Sacramento Delta where they took river boat to San Francisco and finally took and auxillary steamer 9stream %26amp; sail) up the coast to Portland. They left from the Spear street Wharf at 10 am on May 28, 1886. We%26#39;re going to the pier area and toast their journey. My great great grand parents - the McGraths came from Co. Roscommon to New York in 1839 then across country and finally their son came to Washington in 1903.





Family history is so fun and it makes travel so interesting when you can visit places your ancestors were at.








Tahiti, do you know if Tidal Raves has re-opened yet? When I was at the coast last month it was being remodeled... quite extensively. It will be fun to see what they have accomplished!





Last year we had lunch at the Chowder Bowl in Newport and it was quite good.





Have fun!




Tidal waves not open yet, sign says open in March, Drove by there yesterday




genealjean,





I agree with you about Tahiti and Bora Bora especially, it%26#39;s my favorite spot on this great planet. This may sound corny to some but the second I got off the plane my soul felt at peace. And I get that same feeling everytime we go there.





As for the Side Door, the food is good. And it%26#39;s a great locals place.





Tidal Raves has needed that remodel for a while, it%26#39;s just a little too small. So I%26#39;m very excited about it. They always close for the month of January, so there wasn%26#39;t anyone we could ask about the re-open date, so thanks phirl!





How fun to be combining a family history with a vacation. Half of my mother%26#39;s family settled in the south and the other half in Upstate NY. A couple years we reversed the southerners trek west to Oregon. It was a fun and educational experience. Next on the agenda, the New Yorkers. One day we hope to do my Swedish side, but since I%26#39;m only a second generation American on that side it%26#39;ll be a little more involved then just driving to Ellis Island!





Enjoy our awesome coast





Tahiti




Half dozen years ago I drove from son%26#39;s home in Omaha along the Oregon Trail. Interesting tip. got me off tyhe freeway, and thropugh the terrain where my family passed in 1852. 8 direct line ancestors made that trip, along with 50 other family members. One group came from Iowa, the before that NY. Other group from Missouri, before that TN and NC





8 years ago we went to Donegal, met 25 or more of my7 Doherty cousins, one 2nd cousin still on the home place. Also met from of my grandgathers family, though did not conclude they were related till later, just got a letter from family member now in Scotland, which pretty well provees we are related.





Have visited many other family sites in our travels, sure adds to the trip to drop into Tyringham MA and see where family was. Ashtabula OH, Hawkins Co TN, Winona Co MN. etc




Sounds like a great plan! We love Mo%26#39;s, it%26#39;s so casual and aside from their yummy clam chowder, they also make a really great Blackened Salmon that I love there that is always perfectly prepared. The marionberry cobbler is pretty great, also. Have fun! :)




Thanks Phirl and all



We just got into the Trendwest Gleneden Beach for Thur April 26 so think that will be ok. It is in a back building - non ocean view room - but we are seeing the ocean all the way down to San Diego and we can go out to the beach here. Only room available , especially for one night . Doubt that Newport or Depoe Bay will open up.





My cousin has her heart set on Canyon Way in Newport for dinner - so I guess I will bite the bullet and drive down for dinner and then back to Gleneden beach for the night. Its only 38 miles RT - so that isn%26#39;t bad. She has friends to visit in Gleneden Beach for an hour or so - so this will work out.





Since we are at Trendwest and not La Quinta - no breakfast. What does anyone suggest for a nice breakfast stop between Gleneden Beach and Newport for Friday morning?

Surprise trip for husband b'day, itinearary comment needed

Hello all local experts,





I%26#39;m planning a surprise trip for my husband 40 b%26#39;day. I%26#39;ve been reading and ';borrowing'; all the good suggestions in this board for a while. Here is my first draft. Appreciate all comments.





Day 1: Arrive SEA late evening.



Day 2: Seattle Attractions, another night in Seattle



Day 3: Mt. Rainier, then head toward Oregon, spend a night in Astoria



Day 4: Oregon Coast, a night in Yachats



Day 5: Crater Lake (spend a night at the lodge)



Day 6: Corvallis (My husband graduated from OSU, and love the town), spend a night here



Day 7: Willemette Wine Country (Any recommendations on where to stay?)



Day 8: Columbia River George Loop, spend a night in Portland



Day 9: Portland Metro, Heading back to SEA





As I said, I%26#39;m open to any suggestions.



Surprise trip for husband b'day, itinearary comment needed


At first glance, sounds good. You might consider Mt. St. Helens instead of Mt. Rainier. When is this big trip?



Surprise trip for husband b'day, itinearary comment needed


Agree with voyaging Mt St H better visit, more interesting. Rainier dominates the skyline from seattle area, so easy to enjoy beauty of it.





Make reserv early at Crater Lake Lodge.





Suggest you leave coast at Reedsport head to N Umpqua Hwy.





Take OR-58 from Crater Lake to Eugene.





You won%26#39;t have a lot of time to dally, but you can do that trip





OSU?? I can%26#39;t let that pass. I spent 5 years there, needed that much to get out. I md a townie




Wow, this is exactly what I%26#39;m looking for.





- This trip will be in Mid June.



- I will switch to Mt. St. Helen as suggested.



- Phirl, my husband spent almost 7 years for his master and phd.



He loves the area. I%26#39;ve never been there, but from what he told me, can%26#39;t wait to see the campus and your beautiful state!!




Looks like a great itinerary. But Phirl%26#39;s right; book Crater Lake Lodge today. Chances are good you%26#39;re too late already. If so, you could try Mazama Village. It%26#39;s a poor second choice, but the only other accommodations in the park. Failing that, try the Propect Hotel, 25 miles SW of the lake, but there%26#39;s not much else around. http://www.prospecthotel.com/





If you want to spend night 7 in wine country, Black Walnut Inn would be the place. http://www.blackwalnut-inn.com/ But you know, you%26#39;ll only be one hour from Portland, so you could just as easily head into town after the wineries close (4:00pm - 5:00pm). Willamette Valley wine country is nothing like Napa and Sonoma valleys. Towns around here roll up the sidewalks around 7:00pm. :-)




Mid-June at Crater Lake may have some limits like east rim road may not be open, but west rim road should be and that really is all you need to get good view of lake. East rim road not so good to make any date changes





I graduated from OSC, well it changed year i got out. so campus has changed a lot, but probably has for your husband, too I have been back many times so change gradual. still a very nice campus. I only got a BS





Reason I say inland at Reedsport. drive from Yachats south on coast one of best there is, and drive up N Umpqua Hwy along river also very nice.





Short drive from Corvallis to McMinnville/Dundee or wine country. You could see it and spend night in PDX, then do Gorge day trip. However Oregon Hotel in McMinnville looks interesting




It%26#39;s a good itinerary, but are you sure you%26#39;re going to be ok with that much driving and that many one night stays in a row? Some people like that kind of trip--to me, it sounds exhausting. If it were me I%26#39;d consider saving Crater Lake for another trip and add another night in, say, Yachats (because it%26#39;s about the middle of your trip and it%26#39;s a nice place) so you have a day where you can just relax and don%26#39;t have to get up and drive *again*. And I%26#39;d also strongly consider the suggestion that was previously made of staying in Portland for 2 nights rather than one night in the Willamette Valley and one night in Portland.





But obviously you know best what you and your husband will enjoy, I%26#39;m just throwing this thought out there ;-).




Lots of good suggestions already. Glad to see you swap out Rainier for St. Helens. Both are great...but St. Helens is amazing with the destruction,etc.





Another OSU grad here:) I too love the town and love going back. The Salbasgeon Suites is a nice hotel in town. We have stayed there several times for homecoming. There is a Hilton right next to the campus that is only a couple years old that is supposed to be nice. If you want a B%26amp;B, then try Harrison House. Woodstocks for pizza is an institution in town...great pizza, and a great pub next door.





Wine country...Black Walnut would be the nicer place, but the McMenamins Hotel Oregon is good too. They are just different. Black Walnut is nicer...Hotel Oregon is unique and lots of fun. HO is right in downtown McMinnville, which is a fun place to wander. Lots of tasting rooms in town too.





mistletoe--the carpets roll up at 7 in the wine area? LOL! Just teasing...I thought it was more like 5pm:)





As far as driving back to SEA is that for the airport? If you don%26#39;t have tickets already you might consider doing open jaw so you don%26#39;t have to drive back.




5:00pm in the winter, Mtngrl, but with daylight savings time and better weather, the Dundee police give themselves a couple more hours to write tickets. ;-)




LOL, very true:)





The Dundee police must have been really bored late on Monday night. They followed my husband very closely for quite a while.

Ringside vs London Grill

First off thanks to everyone who answered my previous posts. Looks like the wife and I will be heading to Fenouil for our romantic dinner to celebrate our 15th wedding anniversay on our first night in the Rose City. The next night we would like to have a steak dinner and we think that we have narrowed our choice down to two places for that. The Ringside(NW Burnwell location) or the London Grill. Any reviews pro or con on either of these two? Could we do better at Ruth Chris, El Guacho or Mortons?



Ringside vs London Grill






From my non-steak eating point of view ( it would be all about the atmosphere %26amp; the chicken or fish) I would go for El Gaucho (might be one of the most expensive steak places here) or the London Grill.



www.portlandfood.org has lots to say about steak %26amp; Ringside..





Ringside on NW Burnside,=





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Just to add another name to the mix ( or to confuse you :)



Bluehour on NW 13th %26amp; Everett is supposed to do a really nice steak.





Hope this helps til someone who actually eats steak comes along :)



I am happy you chose Fenouil, that has been our anniversary celebration spot, good news celebration spot and just plain , good spot.



Enjoy the desserts :D



Ringside vs London Grill


I can give you a quick run down on both places to see which one fits your style:





1. Ringside harkens back to the old school days, it seems like a scene from the 1950%26#39;s. The staff is very professional and the bar portion is dark and and has a nice wooden bar with boxing memorabilia. The steak is good and the onion rings are a must have.





2. El Gaucho is the more trendy of the all steak house, my opinion is that that beat out the other steak houses but you will pay more to enjoy it.





3. London Grill is a romantic downstairs restaurant in a great historic hotel called the Benson Hotel. You can wander the lobby to experience it. They also, often have Jazz music and a small hotel bar in the lobby.





El Gaucho and London Grill are actually right next door to each other.





4. I%26#39;d pass on Mortons and Ruth Chris, personally




If it%26#39;s all about steak I%26#39;d do either El Gaucho or Ringside. With a bit of preference to Ringside for unique ambience and those incredible onion rings.




Good choice on Fenouil. I think your wife, especially, will love it.





I agree with Coug about the Ringside. It%26#39;s a Portland institution. I%26#39;ve yet to find better onion rings in the city, but sadly, you%26#39;ll probably find a better steak at any of the other places mentioned. Morton%26#39;s and Ruth%26#39;s Chris are can%26#39;t miss places, but they%26#39;re chain restaurants; good ones, but chain nonetheless. London Grill is another long-time local favorite. But, it doesn%26#39;t feel like a steak house to me. So, if you%26#39;ve got room on your credit card, I%26#39;d agree with those recommending El Gaucho.




To everyone who posted thank you very much again. No wonder why the city of Portland is so friendly and great to visit. We are indeed making some extra payments on the credit card so that we can dine at El Guacho. I checked out their menu on line and plan on making plenty of extra room on the card after seeing the prices, but I am a firm believer you get what you pay for. So thanks to all of you we have our weekend dining spots picked out and a few after dinner places as well.




If you want to get what you pay for, you may want to think twice about El Gougo. I have not been to Ringside (been meaning to for years), but I would not go back to El Gougo or Ruth%26#39;s Chris. For $55.00, the steak, ambience, preparation, presentation and service all should be spectacular. They%26#39;re not.





Don Shula%26#39;s and Morton%26#39;s are just more chain steakhouses, I would have to assume they would also fit into this category, though I haven%26#39;t tried them.





There are truckloads of spectacular restaurants in Portland, that leave you salivating for hours afterward, at half their prices.





Great choice with Fenouil, though - can%26#39;t wait to go back there myself.


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  • Downtown Romantic Bar with music

    Can anyone suggest a smaller romantic type place with maybe a paino player that doesn%26#39;t get to crowded on the weekends in the downtown area?



    Downtown Romantic Bar with music


    There is a little bar on NW 21st, between Flanders and Glisan called the M Bar. Candlelight and music, not a piano player ( which I prefer) and very romantic.





    The Heathman Hotel has a piano player but then you get the big hotel crowd and it is not that cozy or romantic.





    One of my favorite restuarants in town is Fenouil on Jamison Park , with 2 double sided fireplaces and 2 story high windows..they have live jazz on weekends. And wonderful food :)



    Downtown Romantic Bar with music


    Oh, for just drinks and moody atmosphere with a nice fire to sit by or just gaze in to , is Vault on NW 12th.



    We were there the other night, the lights are low, there are candles and the fire, really nice place to have a drink..music but not live.




    Check out Wilf%26#39;s Piano Bar next to the train station. The guy who used to play piano at Alexander%26#39;s plays there now, or at least did last time we were there - he%26#39;s very good, and it wasn%26#39;t too crowded.





    Alexander%26#39;s on the top floor of the Hilton now has a live jazz trio, it%26#39;s a small place, very cozy, but not as good as it used to be when it had piano and a dance floor.





    London Grill has live piano.





    Portland City Grill has live piano music, and is a great place to have a drink and enjoy the view, but most certainly doesn%26#39;t fit the bill of not being crowded.





    Karam Lebanese Restaurant has live music - when we were there it was very cozy, and was a single lady crooning jazz.





    Jimmy Mac%26#39;s has live jazz, but is often crowded.





    The Blue Monk has the best jazz in town, but it%26#39;s on SE Belmont, a hop over the river from downtown.





    The Candlelight Room near PSU has, or had, live blues but I haven%26#39;t been there in a while - used to be smoky, don%26#39;t know about now.





    Brasserie Montmartre has live jazz, and is open late - it%26#39;s a restaurant, not really a club, so there is normal booth and table seating - not a standing-room-only type club.





    H20 has smooth jazz during the week, but is more crazy during the weekends.





    That%26#39;s all I can come up with off the top of my head, but hopefully it will get you started. Have fun!




    Johann %26amp; Sandra,



    Brasserie Montmarte has been closed since we moved here, over a year ago..if you are speaking of the one on SW Park.




    That%26#39;s the one - really? I didn%26#39;t know that - I knew they closed for renovations for a while, but I thought they had re-opened by now.





    Thanks for the info.




    No, they have been gone for almost 2 years.



    We ate there in 2005 right before they closed. The building has not been renovated either.






    FYI - Alexanders at the Hilton has closed too.




    We need to start remembering how fast things can change here in town and try to recommend places that we have been to in maybe 6 months rather than years..since I have lived here ( almost 2 years) , maybe about a dozen restaurants have closed and who knows how many new ones have opened!





    We had lunch today at Serrato on NW21st...I love this place.



    We alway go for dinner, haven%26#39;t been in a while, lunch is very good.



    The rooms are so pretty and on a chilly grey afternoon, the warm Tuscan colors and all the windows, made it cheerful, my husband had one of their individual pizzas ( great) and I had a cup of Mussel Bisque ( I will go back for more!!) and a Grilled chicken %26amp; avacado sandwich..a perfect (very) filling lunch.



    The wine was nice too :)




    Wow - I was just there during the Christmas Season - if Alexander%26#39;s is closed, it just closed sometime within the past 2 months or so. The virtual tour of the restaurant is still even featured on Hilton%26#39;s website, so it must be very recent.





    Too bad, we always liked that place. Best bathroom views in town. Thanks for the info, though.





    If nobody ever mentioned anywhere they hadn%26#39;t been within the past 60-90 days, this board wouldn%26#39;t be very useful. Heck, go out of town on a good vacation, come back and you can never take part in the board again for fear something might have closed while you were gone. You can%26#39;t be everywhere all the time...




    My brother works at the Hilton and Alexanders is indeed closed. I believe it closed right after the holidays, as did their Porto Terra restaurant across the street. Bistro 921, however, is still open and I always very much enjoy it there :)

    Yachtas

    Does anyone have view on whether the Yachtas Inn or Adobe is better for a family of three. we%26#39;d have one-bedroom suite in either case? We%26#39;d do the Overleaft but it doesn%26#39;t seem to have a pool, which is a must for our 7-year old



    Yachtas


    I would pick the Adobe for two reasons. 1) It sits right on the bluff above the ocean where the Yachats Inn has a road between it and the ocean/bay. 2) The Adobe has a nice, on site restaurant. Other than that, they are fairly equal.





    ~Den~



    Yachtas


    We stayed at the Adobe last summer. We loved it. The restaurant is kid friendly, and we saw whales every time we ate there. It has an older 50s kind of ambience which I guess some people (judging from the Overleaf vs. Adobe debates you read) don%26#39;t like, but I thought it was wonderful. It was especially nice to walk out right onto a trail along the bluff. One moonlit night we watched a family out on the lawn outside our room blow giant bubbles with one of those rope-hoop kind of bubble wands and a bucket of soapy water . It made me smile and wish we could have been there when my sons were younger. That%26#39;s just not something I could picture doing at the Overleaf.

    chinookgrrrrl - I like your N. Umpqua drive page

    This is one of my favorite drives in Oregon. I chose this route to get to Crater Lake back before we had kidlets and we haven%26#39;t done it since but it left a big impression. While my husband slept, I took in the beauty of the entire drive. Toketee Falls is definitely the highlight of the trip. Okay, Crater Lake isn%26#39;t so bad either. I think we most take the kids there this summer.





    chinookgrrrrl - I like your N. Umpqua drive page


    Glad you liked it/... It is one of my favorite drives too!!!



    chinookgrrrrl - I like your N. Umpqua drive page


    Could you please tell me where to find this page. I have specific questions on this route and if I could find the page it might answer them. The only inside page I can find for chinookgrrrrl is on the Oregon Coast Road




    My go list is pretty basic, but a great drive! Hope it helps.







    tripadvisor.com/GoListDetail-i10019-North_Um鈥?/a>





    Sounds like you%26#39;ve done your homework-so you%26#39;ve probably already visited this page, but heres another link





    www.tripcheck.com/Pages/SBrogueRiver.asp

    Has anyone ridden the Tram?

    If so, is it a worthy tourist attraction? We have some guests coming in a couple weeks and I thought it might be a fun thing to do, since the weather is not all that great for strolls in the park and such.



    Has anyone ridden the Tram?


    Chicogirl--My husband has several times. He didn%26#39;t see what the big deal was at all. He now has a parking spot up near where his meetings are, so he doesn%26#39;t have to take it anymore and is happy. I know you well enough to know this won%26#39;t be an issue with you, but I do think people in general need to remember that this is for people going to the hospital so it is a good reminder to be considerate of who is inside the tram with you. Not everyone is having a good day, etc. Like I said, I am not directing this toward you...I know you are not like that:)



    Has anyone ridden the Tram?


    Hi Chicogirl!



    Even if it were not commuter transportation to the hospital, I would not ride it,.... I am a wimp :)



    Ski lifts, the Tram in NYC, nothing will get me up in those dangling little things on a wire lol.





    Did you see their website?





    www.portlandtram.org/index.cfm鈥?/a>





    They were doing free rides on Saturdays but I think that ends this month.





    How are you loving living here? :)




    Hey...yeah I have checked out the website and the free rides are Friday nights and Saturdays in Feb. I am looking for something to do with our exchange student and thought her parents might like it. I have problems with heights which seem to be getting worse as I age - ferris wheels are out but I think I could grit my teeth and ride the tram.





    I honestly had not considered the down side of bringing it up as a tourist attraction and I am glad that Mtngrl made the point that it is designed to be a commuter vehicle for hospital employees and patients.





    I love it here! I need to find a job or hobby cuz I have major cabin fever....but otherwise it%26#39;s great!




    Cabin Fever is easy to get here with the rainy winters.



    Last year we went to a lot of movies lol





    If you don%26#39;t want to use the tram, which I hear sways in the wind too ! ( shudder) you might consider just taking a streetcar on the whole loop, you can see the town, get on and off and stay in from the elements a little.





    We had to go to OHSU a few times last year and drove up the winding scary road ..



    I think the Tram is great for all the doctors and nurses to use for commuting as well as patients, but when you get to the top, you just have to go back down..and I think it might have possibilities to be depressing.




    Ok off topic but you guys are hanging around here so i will ask. Any opinion on the Spirit boat cruises? I generally stay away from boat trips that include meals, however when my 83 yr old mother comes back to visit I think she might enjoy that....so let me know your thoughts. I also plan to take her to the Oregon Gardens which sound lovely to me. She is a garden buff - mostly native stuff but she likes it all. And she%26#39;s a Frank Lloyd Wright fan, so there you have a two in one! Unless you guys tell me otherwise. While we are at it, know of any good part time jobs open?And a good hairdresser? Melissa helped me on that but I have long since lost that email. Sorry TA...




    I did the Portland Spirit lunch cruise just a couple months ago. It%26#39;s a relaxing couple hours with some nice scenery, so your mother would probably enjoy it. But not necessarily for the food, which I would describe as banquet quality: salad, choice of two entrees, and dessert.





    My wife would recommend Agape One Hair Design on Sequoia Pkwy in Tigard. Ask for Joan.





    Post back if you do end up going to Oregon Gardens. My wife must not have ever heard of them, otherwise I%26#39;m sure I%26#39;d have been.




    Check out the website for the Oregon Gardens....they have a Frank Lloyd Wright house open for public tours in addition to several types of gardens. It%26#39;s near Silverton.....shoot, why doesn%26#39;t you wife just tag along with us!




    I guess I should have asked, how does your wife%26#39;s hair look?




    The Oregon Garden Website







    http://www.oregongarden.org/




    ';....shoot, why doesn%26#39;t you wife just tag along with us!';





    Thanks, Chicogirl, she might take you up on that! And it would save me a trip. ;-)





    ';.....how does your wife%26#39;s hair look?';





    I%26#39;ve yet to find a safe way to answer that question, so I best just keep my mouth shut.

    Breakfast - Gleneden Beach to Newport

    Finally got into the Trendwest in Gleneden Beach for the last Thursday in April and still hoping for Depoe Bay or Newport. I%26#39;m cancelling my La Quinta in Newport. Now need someplace for a good hearty breakfast on a Friday Am somewhere from Gleneden Beach to Newport. Any suggestions? View if possible.





    We%26#39;re staying at Coos Bay that night and plan to eat dinner at the Portside in Charleston for their Friday night Seafood buffet - so we will have a big breakfast and a big dinner that day.





    Thanks





    Breakfast - Gleneden Beach to Newport


    Amend this request to where to breakfast in Newport as I finally got into Trendwest Schooner Landing Newport for April 26th. This will be more convenient although the Gleneden Beach looked nice.

    Unusual Coastal overnight between Crescent City and Newport

    Looking for something fun and not super expensive. Staying at Curly Redwood Lodge in Crescent City, then driving north to stay someplace, on to a night at the funky Sylvia Beach Hotel.





    Family of four who%26#39;s traveled Europe and loves rich experiences but has a small pocketbook. Please share your unique insights! We%26#39;d also love to know what places you think we should see, as well as good places to eat. We%26#39;ll be hitting the Samoa Cookhouse in Eureka and Camp 18 up north of Newport. Anything like these elsewhere along our path?



    Unusual Coastal overnight between Crescent City and Newport


    FYI: Camp 18 is on hwy 26. It%26#39;s 2 + hrs from Newport just so you know......





    I can%26#39;t really help you with the unusual, unless you would consider a deluxe Yurt at Umpqua Lighthouse State Park near Winchester Bay, unusual., but here%26#39;s a blurb I have saved on the Oregon Coast:





    ';DISCLAIMER: You are about to be referred to several sites that are Oregon State Parks. For more information on the parks I am about to mention, visit www.oregonstateparks.org







    Astoria/Warrenton: Lots to do and see here, especially as it relates to Oregon and National History. Fort Clatsop, Fort Stevens State Park, and the Columbia Maritime Museum are just a few. If you are staying o/n, I hightly recommend The Holiday Inn Express on Hwy 30 at the foot of Bond Street (west Astoria).







    Cannon Beach: Ecola State Park and Haystack Rock are two of the biggest draws here and should not be missed.







    Oswald West State Park: On Hwy 101, 11 miles south of Cannon Beach. You have to get out and walk to really appreciate what ';Os West'; has too offer, buit after a 1/3 mile walk into a beautiful rainforest, you will get your just reward! The Most beautiful spot on the Oregon Coast IMHO! Just south of the main developed areas of the park, Hwy 101 crosses over Neah-Kah-Nie Mountain. AT THE VERY LEAST, stop and take in the views from one of the many pullouts. If you%26#39;re up for it, a three mile hike to the top of teh mountain will certainly be a highlight of your trip.







    Three Capes Scenic Route and Cape Meares and Cape Lookout State Parks, southwest of Tillamook. Beautiful drive, especially north to south. Visit Cape Meares Lighthouse.







    (I%26#39;ll let phirl and others fill in the Lincoln City-Newport section).







    Yachats. Spend a little time here. It%26#39;s a small town but it really is a gem. Right on a rocky bluff built out into the ocean. If fact, I hightly recommend staying here. The Overleaf consistently sits at the top of Oregon%26#39;s ranking for motels. If it too much for your budget, there are several others: The Fireside, next door to the Overleaf; The Adobe just a little further south; The Shamrock Lodgettes just south of the river. Aside from being charming and beautiful, it%26#39;s also centrally located to Newport and Florence. Just south of here is Cape Perpetua with arguably the best tide pools on the coast. They also have a wonderful visitor%26#39;s center and lots of hiking. If you like fish-n-chips, Try Leroy%26#39;s Blue Whale on Hwy 101 or for more ';fancy'; fare, The Drift Inn just south of Leroy%26#39;s.







    Heceta Head Lighthouse State Scenic Viewpoint, between Florence and Yachats. Considered the most photographed lighthouse on the entire west coast, you%26#39;ll see why!! There is a B%26amp;B in the Historic Keeper%26#39;s House as well.







    Oregon Dunes National Recreation Area (ODNRA) stretches from Florence, 42 miles to Coos Bay. Sand dunes are not normally associated with beauty, after all, they%26#39;re just sand dunes. But these are truly beautiful. I hightly recommend taking some time to view. Take a buggy ride or rent a quad if your up for it!';







    Hope this helps!







    ~Den~



    Unusual Coastal overnight between Crescent City and Newport


    Unique. Not sure what you consider unique. to me the Oregon coast is unique. I have seen coasts in Italy, France, Ireland, Scotland, England. Yet to find one that matches Oreg coast. Many places to stop and enjoy.




    Den - thanks for your response. I%26#39;ve read many of your posts (in fact, I recognize most of your comments here from other places!) and have benefited from them.





    Sorry for the confusion about what I need. I know Camp 18 is far from Newport....it%26#39;s on the way home in Vancouver, and I only mentioned it because I was trying to show the kind of things we find cool. I%26#39;m fairly familiar with the north coast, and in fact have visited many of the places you mention. But you added a few special spots we%26#39;ll be checking out! :)





    As you know, I need info on the area between Crescent City and Newport. I%26#39;m intrigued with your suggestion of a deluxe Yurt at Umpqua Lighthouse State Park near Winchester Bay. Do you know if it will be warm enough in mid March? Sadly, the B%26amp;B in the Historic Keeper%26#39;s House you mention discriminates against children under 10. I think that%26#39;s rotten. I%26#39;ll also check the The Adobe Inn, The Fireside Inn and the Overleaf Lodge as well as Shamrock Lodge. You%26#39;ve given me a lot to think about!




    Glad you found the Curley Redwood Lodge in Crescent City - cheap and clean. I%26#39;m driving down the coast the eand of April and have booked the Curley Redwood Lodge for my 4th visit.. Love Samoa Cookhouse too.





    Stop in Bandon and visit the candy shop for cranberry candy treats. Just south of Bandon is the West Coast Game Park Safari - good place to get out and stretch you legs - walk through a number of free-roaming animals and there is the opportunity to pet some of the selected baby animals. While animals like bears, lions, etc are in cages - the kids will like interacting with the goats, and other tame animals looking for handouts.





    South of Florence (see the Old Town) is the Oregon Dunes National recreation area - go to the overlook or even splurge on a dune buggy tour.





    Along the coast -especially in Newport - stop for clam chowder and cheap eats at Mo%26#39;s along the Bayfront.





    Agree that the Newport Aquarium is another kid-friendly stop. It used to be the home of the famous whale Keiko who starred in the ';Free Willie'; movies and was released off his home waters in the north Atlantic.





    Am also staying at the Holiday Express in Astoria - good choice as it is located right under the bridge over the Columbia River - fun to watch the huge ships passing by.





    The Astoria Maritime Museum nearby is good. Near Astoria is Fort Clatsop. This reconstructed fort is on the site of the winter headquarters of American pioneers Lewis and Clark. Kids enjoy this wooden fort in the woods and the displays.





    In Tillamook - don%26#39;t miss the Tillamook Cheese factory for cheese tasting - but especially the ice cream. Nearby is the Blue Heron Cheese shop with a petting zoo and another good stop to pick up deli sandwiches to each out on the coast. Since you have kids - I would also recommend a stop at the Tillamook Air Museum which features WW II fighter planes, etc and is located a former Blimp hanger.





    There are earlier TA threads on Camp 18. They were so helpful to many stranded travelers who were caught in a major snow and ice storm by taking them in and keeping them warm. Tell them that we travelers appreciated their hospitality.




    The deluxe Yurts are a real gem. They are larger (+400 sq ft) than standard Yurts, have a kitchenette, and their own full bathroom. They have electric heat and are quite toasty. 4 of the 6 have great views of Lake Marie. It is very quiet and peaceful in the Yurt village as you have to walk a short distance (no cars!).





    To top it all, March is still Discovery Season and a night will only cost you $45 (plus $6 reservation fee).





    ~Den~




    I believe the Siskiyou National Forest (and perhaps even the Umpqua) have fire towers for rent near the coast.




    As far as food- gotta give a shout out to Lighthouse Deli in Newport(well actually South Beach on the south side of the bridge). Their fish n chips are pretty good-you can get halibut, salmon and tuna.







    Camp 18 is great for ambiance, but food is ok. -At least the last few times ive been there.




    Halfirish, sheez with a name like that figured you were from ireland, like the other irishrover poster. didn%26#39;t realize you were from here and familiar with oreg coast. Then again don%26#39;t have a lot more to offer than you have already gotten





    Perhaps you should visit 2 or 3 lighthouses, some nice ones, Cape Arago, Heceta Head, Yaquina Head, Cape Arago.





    Newport Bayfront good visit




    Hi there! Sounds like a nice itinerary and you are covering a lot of ground. Camp 18 is cool, just be aware that the portions here are very lage. We have had some good breakfasts here in the past.





    The Holiday Inn Express in Astoria is in a good location, right on the trolley stop and has beautiful views of the Astor-Megler bridge. On the trolley stop is the Cannery Cafe where we love to lunch, their crab melts are really great. The Ship Inn is also a favorite of ours for the fish and chips. I would recommend taking the trolley in Astoria, it is scenic and informative.





    Also not to miss is the Astor Column, we can see it from our doorstep at our home in Astoria. It%26#39;s pretty when it is lit up at night. You can stop at the deli called Peter Pan Market and get yummy deli sandwiches and bakery goods to take up to picnic on Coxcomb Hill. The drive up to the column is very pretty. We also like Fulio%26#39;s for Italian food and the Silver Salmon Grille for nice dinners in Astoria. The Flavel House is also interesting as is athe Heritage Museum. If you like to wine taste, Shallon Winery is kind of funky and fun, we like the Cran du Lait there and Paul is fun to chat with. The Vintner%26#39;s Room at the Hotel Elliott is also a nice place to taste, we like to go up to the rooftop there and take in the gorgeous views of the Columbia River and surrounding area.





    Fort Stevens State Park is also fun, in Warrenton. You can view the wreck of the Peter Iredale, a cool place for a photo shoot. There are also several miles of walking/bike riding trails that we like here and Coffenbury Lake is pretty, also in the park. Have fun on the coast and please report back after your travels! :)




    Thanks, everyone, for your great ideas! I%26#39;m getting really enthused. Sadly, the deluxe yurts are rented the day we need one, but I will definitely pursue them for future visits.





    The lookout tower is an awesome idea. I am checking now. Appears many don%26#39;t rent until later in the season but perhaps I%26#39;ll get lucky with one.





    Where do I post a trip report?


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  • Two or three days in wine country??

    My husband and I are planning an Oregon/Seattle trip in September and want the Oregon wineries to be a definite part of the agenda. My question is, how long is enough to spend in this region (Dundee, McMinnville?). It%26#39;s either 2 or 3 days for us. One of the days we will probably embark on one of the ';wine tours'; offered. Suggestions?!?



    Two or three days in wine country??


    Hi, I would go for 2 days. Torii Mor, Sokkol Blosser, Domaine Drouhin, Archery Summit and Domaine Serene are my favorites in the area. We also like Ponzi.





    We have had nice meals at Tina%26#39;s in Dundee, Dundee Bistro and Joel Palmer House in Dayton. I have reviews of these places on this forum if you%26#39;re interested.





    We also enjoyed Scott Paul in Carlton. There is a Winemaker Studio there that is nice. I also have a review with photos of this wine country attraction under the Carlton Forum. Cheers! :)



    Two or three days in wine country??


    I am local, but not good with wine stuff, but son and family camet to town recently Our d-i-l and 22 yr old gr-d wanted a wine tour with my wife. we got some really great help. check back a few posts, Mistletoe and Mtngrl particularly good help





    They had a great day Think Rex Hill as start point was good highlight for them




    KattIndy--Here is a link to Phirl%26#39;s thread. Two days is plenty of time here for our wine area.





    tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g51963-i2614-k7401鈥?/a>




    It would be nice to know the rest of your itinerary before recommending how much of it should be spent in wine country, but two days is plenty, three overkill, and one might be enough. With two days, I%26#39;d spend one in the Dundee/McMinnville area, and the other around Carlton and NW Newberg. If you%26#39;d like specific winery suggestions, ask. I think syrahgirl visited all those she mentions in two short afternoons.





    Any particular reason for taking a tour? And have you found one that will just take the two of you, or do you have a larger group to hook up with? The few companies I know do customized tours for groups, but don%26#39;t have regularly scheduled tours you can plug into.




    Make a not that Argyle is across from Tina%26#39;s in Dundee, not the Dundee Bistro as mentioned in phirl%26#39;s thread. Loved Tina%26#39;s, BTW and Dundee Bistro is also good, a bit more upscale than Tina%26#39;s and the Ponzi wines are very good. :)




    Oops, make that ';make a note...'; :)




    I think you must be directionally challenged, syrahgirl. ;-) Argyle is directly across 99W from Dundee Bistro. Not that anyone asked or cares, but if you%26#39;re going to go through the trouble of providing information like that, at least get it right.




    Mistletoe is correct on where Argyle is. At least yesterday when I last went by there, that is where it was.




    We have had DISASTEROUS results following ';THAT GIRLS'; info in the past.I can not stress enough ,no matter how many thousands of times she posts her nonsense,please stick with the wonderful locals,,,not an ocaccional visitor with mustcontinuallykeepposting-itis




    budr--Please come visit. I would love to personally take you to the Dundee Bistro and buy you a drink:)

    Affordable Motel with Free Breakfast

    If you are looking for a affordable place to stay in Seaside, OR. go to the Microtel Inn %26amp; Suites, their rates are low and rooms are really clean. My husband and I stayed their this weekend and really enjoyed it. The staff treats you like family and the free breakfast is out of this world. Waffles, (homemade, not frozen) muffins, bagles, and fresh fruit. Try it you will like it.





    tammy and ken



    Affordable Motel with Free Breakfast


    I agree. I stayed there last July and it was pretty good. I wrote a review of the place here on TA as well. You should too!





    ~Den~



    Affordable Motel with Free Breakfast


    Glad you enjoyed your time in Seaside, the location of the Microtel is nice, not too far away from Ave. U where we like to surf in Seaside. We had a nice stay at the Tides by the Sea last summer for 3 nights, down on the ocean in this same area. :)

    Portland Vacation Suggestions....

    Does anyone have some good suggestions for a jazz and nature loving - mid-30%26#39;s couple coming to visit Portland for a weekend in March?



    Portland Vacation Suggestions....


    Shoot, you just missed the spring Jazz festival!



    Portland Vacation Suggestions....


    A trip up the Columbia River Gorge to Hood River for lunch is nice, as is a hike here in Forest Park. The Coast is only 1.5 hrs away so that too is an option. Great jazz can be heard at various clubs in Portland. Jimmy Maks in NW probably tops the list. Have fun and welcome!




    www.pova.com is a helpful site for planning , you can find any events going on when you are here.





    I agree, Jimmy Macs is really good, the new space is great!





    Just be prepared for rain and be pleasantly surprised if it doesn%26#39;t :)




    sorry, Jimmy Maks :)







    http://www.jimmymaks.com/




    For a day trip, I vote for the coast.



    You%26#39;ll love Ecola State Park near Cannon Beach.



    Plus, lots of cute shops in Cannon Beach area.



    Then, travel down the coast a bit, perhaps to Tillamook



    and make your way back to Portland.



    There%26#39;s a lighthouse near Tillamook that you might



    want to visit. Also, grab some Tillamook Ice Cream at



    their factory. Have fun!

    Need feedback on LA -PDX itinerary, please.

    Hi guys, I had a lot of help here already from wonderful people, and came up with this itinerary. Please tell me what you think.





    Do you think this is too tiresome and ambitious of an itinerary for someone who doesn%26#39;t like to rush? It seems from mapquest that after the first day, the drive is about 3-4 hours a day, which is great but I%26#39;m not sure it always takes the type of the road into consideration.





    I would also like suggestions on what to do and see between stop points. I need to be in Portland by lunch or so on the 9th.





    March 3 Driving from the LA%26#39;s South Bay to Santa Rosa. Overnight in Santa Rosa (We%26#39;re skipping the LA -SF part, as we%26#39;ve done it many times)





    March 4 Safari West, The Shultz Museum Overnight in Santa Rosa





    March 5 Mendocino, Fort Bragg. Overnight in Port Bragg





    March 6 Drive to Eureka, through Avenue of the Giants, Overnight in Eureka





    March 7 Drive to Gold Beach, go to Redwoods, overnight in Gold Beach (this is a birthday, any special suggestions?)





    March 8 Drive to Florence (or?) Overnight





    March 9 Drive to Portland





    Thanks!



    Need feedback on LA -PDX itinerary, please.


    I can%26#39;t comment on the CA section but the OR part looks good. As far as accommodations, as I previously mentioned in one of your other threads, I%26#39;d go for Tu Tu Tun Lodge in Gold Beach, for sure. If you can, splurge for one of the rooms with a fireplace and a soaker tub on the balcony. It will be a great place to celebrate a birthday.





    And on March 8, I%26#39;d go a bit further north to Yachats and stay at the Overleaf Lodge there. Or, there%26#39;s always the option of staying at the Heceta Head Lighthouse B%26amp;B just north of Florence if you want something a little unusual.



    Need feedback on LA -PDX itinerary, please.


    Thank you for all your suggestions and help, northwestwanderer . Off to see what you mean by ';a little pricey.'; ;-)




    No problem--and hopefully you%26#39;ll post about your trip before I go on mine to the northern CA coast at the end of March ;-).




    Looks like a nice doable itinerary. In Santa Rosa, you may want to check out the Hotel La Rose, my son enjoyed a stay there in a cottage room in the back of the property. The rates are pretty reasonable also and it gets great reviews on this and other travel sites.





    In the Florence area, you may want to consider a stop at the Sea Lion Caves, great fun! Enjoy your trip! :)




    I agree with northwestwanderer. There are not a lot of motel choices in Florence, and only one, Driftwood Shores, is anywhere close to the beach. Other options in Yachats include The Fireside (right next door to the Overleaf), The Adobe and the Shamrock Lodgetts. There are many others, but these are the ones I recommend due to their locations.





    From Yachats heading north, there are several routes you can take to Portland (hwy 34; hwy 20; hwy 18; hwy 6). All will take 3 hrs or less.





    ~Den~




    Thank you all. I wasn%26#39;t thinking of motels, but rather something in the middle between Tin Tin Tun and a motel... :)





    And I wasn%26#39;t really asking so much for lodging ideas, as much as for things to do and see this time of year.





    Also, again, do you think it%26#39;s too ambitious an itinerary? Could someone please give me realistic estimates for travel time between these points, especially if it rains? Maybe I should make it into a separate thread...





    Thanks again.




    It%26#39;s Tu Tu Tun ;-)! And the Overleaf fits into the in-between category.





    I%26#39;m not sure I understand your question about the rain. Are you thinking you%26#39;d have to drive much slower than the speed limit? That%26#39;s not likely to be the case. Or is it something else?




    Yes, northwestwanderer, that%26#39;s what I meant, that the drive would be very slow. Touche on the correction ;)




    Ok, thanks for clarifying. No, I don%26#39;t think it%26#39;ll make a huge difference to your travel times. I mean, you might be going a little slower if it%26#39;s raining but not like half-speed or anything.





    I looked at some of the mileages between your stops on Mapquest and I think that 3-4 hours driving time seems feasible. Along the Oregon Coast at least, you%26#39;ll probably average around 45 mph, between the slower stretches and the parts where you can go 55-60.




    I would always listen to dengay and northwestwanderer :)





    When we drive along the coast, I find I slow down more because of the trucks and going around all the curves and the views! It is difficult at times to drive and not try to look out at the fabulous views at the same time, so figure you will want to drive slower or pull over and look sometimes.





    * Personally, it does not feel like a vacation to me if I have to get up every morning and get back in the car and get to the next place, so your itinerary does seem a bit pushed*





    We live in Portland and so far, in all the rain we have been through, I never see anyone driving any slower because of the rain :)

    Crater Lake - the Roads - Helpful info needed

    I apologise for being such a wimp, but I am quite a nervous traveller on mountain roads. The worst part is not knowing what we are in for. I am particularly horrified by unguarded drops while in a car. So I would really appreciate serious answers to my questions to help me plan what I would actually be able to tolerate. We have driven in southern California, including Big Sur and the roads to Yosemite and King%26#39;s Canyon, so that is the experience we have to compare. Also some mountain driving in Europe, including one particular episode in Corsica which I never want to repeat again.





    We plan to visit Crater Lake in July. I have read a lot of the posts and understand that the road around the rim is definitely scary. I have also read that the best way to go round is drive west, approaching from the South. Am I understanding this correctly?





    Our plan is to approach Crater Lake from Crescent City on the 199 and then getting on to the 62 to Prospect. Stay the night in Prospect.





    We will go round Crater Lake on the west side.





    We would then like to follow the 138 to Roseburg





    My questions are what are these roads really like?





    1. The 199



    2. The 62 to crater Lake



    3. The rim road on the western side of Crater Lake. Why is this way better?



    4. The 138.





    My husband will be doing the driving. Please don%26#39;t mock me. We are from Ireland and our maintains rarely get above 3.000 ft! We want to see your beautiful state, but I am unfortunately handicapped by this fear.



    Crater Lake - the Roads - Helpful info needed


    I am right there with you, lol! We were at Crater Lake last summer and my family still loves to tease me about that drive. My husband was driving, and honestly, it would have been better if I had been. He is a good driver, but if I am driving, those cliffs don%26#39;t make me worry as much. Just that feeling of being a bit further from the edge, and of course driving (which is a distraction) keep me from getting so anxious. If you get really nervous, try driving yourself as that might help.



    Crater Lake - the Roads - Helpful info needed


    Hey Irishrover,





    I feel your white-knuckledness. ;-) To answer your questions.......





    Hwy 199 is fine. There are a couple spots along the Smith River where you might get a little nervous, but there are guardrails where you think they should be.





    No problems on 62 either. Piece of cake until you get inside Crater Lake National Park, and head up to Rim Village. But most of that stretch is on the uphill side of the road, so there%26#39;s at least a land separating you from the drop-offs.





    Yes, head west (counter-clockwise) on the rim road. Again, this will keep you mostly on the uphill side of the road, where you%26#39;ll definitely want to be. For some reason, there aren%26#39;t always guardrails where you think they should be on the downhill-side lane. I%26#39;ll be riding a bicycle around the lake later this year, and am already getting nervous!





    Someone else will have to help with 138. I%26#39;m anxiously awaiting a response too, as I';ll be cycling that road too.




    Oops! Pardon the typo. That should be, ';...at least a lane separating....';




    And yet another goof... NOT counter-clockwise, but CLOCK-WISE around rim road. I need another cup of coffee.




    my wife has several places where she gets real uncomfortable, west rim road is not one, then we have been over that enough she may be over it. She probably was first couple of times, plus we normally drive north on it.





    Of all the routes you plan thje west rim road probably will be the worst. If you drive north on it you will be on inside, sp should ease it



    Don%26#39;t drive east rim. It is longer and has some worse places than west rim. with trip you laid out west rim is planty good an the head on out north entrance to 138.





    You don%26#39;t say how you are getting to 199. I hope it is not on Cal-1 on Mendocino Coast. My wife was glad she was on inside but still nervous. Nice drive but not worth it for someone with a problem. Crater Lake is worth it. Plus not as bad as Cal-1





    One place where my wife was quite nervous was on Inishowen Peninsula between Drumfree and Carndonagh in Donegal. we met 2 or 3 cars on narrow road she was on outside we had to stop to let them by. because she was too nervous to let me keep going.




    Mistletoe I was writingwhile you were posting so just saw your response. How far on 138 are you biking? 138 is probably the mildest of the Oregon Cascades crossings. in terms of drop-offs. and I think the prettiest




    Phirl, we%26#39;re on 138 for about 50 miles starting at Diamond Lake, almost all of it downhill I think. Is that the outside lane? I might have a few more questions about central OR roads, but don%26#39;t want to hijack this thread.




    Mistletoe, You are right better to make another thread, will wait for that. about 1/2 the distance 138 is north side of river.




    Thank you so much for your replies so far. They have been very helpful and it%26#39;s great to get the feedback from fellow-sufferers.





    I can rest assured about th journey up to the Lake, take a deep breath and do the west side. Then what about the 138? It sound lovely but will it give me the screaming habdabs (as we say here)?





    Phirl, yes we were planning on doing the Mendocino coast road, but might now re-think it. Talking of cycling, my husband cycled this part of the coast in 2001 (he was in Fort Bragg on September 11). He told me it was bad but would be OK in a car. I will speak to him again.





    Mtngrl%26#39;s advice about driving myself makes sense, but sadly I also don%26#39;t like driving on the right.





    Phirl, I know what you mean about those Donegal coast roads. Just a piece of sheep wire to guard the edge!





    I have being doing a lot of research on this and even scrutinising sattelite maps of the area. But there is nothing like local knowledge.




    Agree with phril- I don%26#39;t think Hwy-138 is particularly mountainous/cliff edges for a cascade pass. It mostly just follows the river-so there are a few small cliffs(there are guardrails on most cliff parts of the road), but not any more than you will drive on the rest of your trip. If I recall correctly you should be on the mountain side of the road for most of the Hwy 138 drive.





    Glad your fears arent stopping you! I understand your fear-I really hate flying in planes(or as I like to call them pressurized tin cans hurling through the sky), but I deal with it because I know I%26#39;m going to great places!!

    Gourmet Vegan/Vegetarian Restaurant(s)?

    My wife and I will be in Portland the second week in March and are on the lookout for an outstanding vegan/vegetarian restaurant. My wife is a vegan and really wants to find a special place to have a birthday dinner while we%26#39;re in Portland. Any suggestions?



    Gourmet Vegan/Vegetarian Restaurant(s)?


    I don%26#39;t know any personally but while you wait for an answer, try looking at www.portlandfood.org.



    They are always discussing vegans and vegetarian restaurants..



    Hope this helps..and welcome to Portland. ( my birthday is in March too..happy day to your wife :)



    Gourmet Vegan/Vegetarian Restaurant(s)?


    I am not sure about Portland, but if you are out exploring the valley try ';Marco Polo'; in downtown Salem. While not strictly vegetarian, they have many wonderful vegetarian/vegan offerings.




    Blossoming Lotus in the Pearl district. It%26#39;s in the same space as Pearl Yoga. It%26#39;s a completely vegan restaurant, and it%26#39;s quite popular with the locals. I%26#39;m not a vegetarian myself, but I%26#39;ve been there a few times with my husband and it%26#39;s quite good!!! They have a website and you can peruse the menu.



    The only thing is that because it shares the same space as a yoda studio, I wouldn%26#39;t call the atmosphere romantic, esp for a birthday.




    Blossoming Lotus makes the best salads!



    But I don%26#39;t see it as a ';special place for a birthday dinner';...





    I have a feeling that there might be more vegan places on the Eastside. I never hear anyone in our neighborhood mentioning them here on the NW side.




    Other than those, the only true Vegan place I know of is Pirates Tavern, but I don%26#39;t know if that would meet the ';gourmet'; criteria.





    http://www.piratestavern.com/




    Andina, in The Pearl, has several nice vegetarian offerings. I don%26#39;t know about the vegan part.




    You%26#39;re in luck if you%26#39;re coming to Portland. You actually don%26#39;t have to go to a ';Vegan/Vegetarian'; restaurant to get a great vegetarian meal. We have such a large vegetarian population that almost all the top restaurants have vegetarian options. An old fashioned BBQ Grill place near my house even does bbq tofu in order to cater to everybody.





    Have fun!




    Romantic, nice cocktails, great food that is veggie and/or vegan is on SE Division at about 43rd, called Kalga Kafe. I%26#39;m taking a date there tonight, in fact!





    Try their Thai Basil Martini, it%26#39;s yummy! Food is ';spice route'; in influence.





    Farther down on Division, is Bay Leaf, a new Chinese place that is ALL vegetarian. Great place. Try the garlic eggplant w/brown rice.





    Super romantic, special occasion place, but expensivie, and is Italian, so you will find veggie options, esp in the pasta menu, is Genoa. Also in SE.





    check out this food blog, it%26#39;s very helpful and I read it all the time, even though I am local. Portland%26#39;s eating out scene changes rapidly!





    http://www.portlandfoodanddrink.com/





    Read their review of Lovely Hula Hands, it might be the place for that special dinner!





    cheers!




    Hi twirlgirl, is portland food and drink Epicurious?



    I used to get the best ideas from reading his site and portlandfood.org.




    Hi- one way to approach this is to look through the restaurants and go to their website and see their menus. City Grill has the ';veiw'; and is a lot of fun, though can get noisy. They make their own sushi-I order the vegies- and so on. I do not eat any meat but we typically check the menu out ahead and pick that way. Also, if you call ahead many of the smaller gems will make something for your wife. If $$$ is not an issue, we just had a glorious meal at Georgio%26#39;s in the Pearl. I would also call Genoa. Happy Birthday celebration.


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  • Where should we stop between Portland and Redwoods

    We were looking to stop for a night between Portland and the Redwood State Park. Which town would people recommend, should we stick to the coast?



    cheers





    Where should we stop between Portland and Redwoods


    I would go for the coastal route. Yachats would be a good stopping point, I think, or Bandon, a little further down.





    But if you%26#39;d rather go for mountains, heading south on I-5 and then up to Crater Lake would be another option. Then you%26#39;d take Rt. 199 over from Grant%26#39;s Pass to Crescent City to get to the redwoods.



    Where should we stop between Portland and Redwoods


    Scotland??





    Have you been here in Oreg before? Curious your overall trip plan. when do you plan to leave portland, AM?





    If area is new to you I think you need at least two days on Ore coast to get to redwoods. Oreg coast every bit as much a destination place as redwoods.




    If you decide to take 199 try to make time to stop at the Oregon Caves (near the town of Cave Junction). And I know it%26#39;s sort of cheezy, but the Oregon Vortex near Gold Hill (off I-5) can really be fun with kids.





    I like the coast, but Ashland and Jacksonville are interesting towns worth a look as well. It depends on the time of year, what sort of pace you are going for, and your tastes.




    I read your other postings and wonder if you have not already gotten answers to this question...




    Yes Phirl, we are from Glasgow in Scotland.



    We are coming over on the 4th Sept. Spending two nights in Seattle, one in Portland and aiming to arrive in San Francisco on the 13th to meet up with my parents. We are then taking three days to drive to LA, (my parents are staying there for few days then going to Las Vegas), we are then stopping for two nights in New York on the way home.



    I%26#39;ve been on a shorter road trip with my parents from New Orleans to Naples (we have a house there) and spent a lot of time in Florida, and my husband has driven round the east coast with his family (originally from Concord) but this is the first time we%26#39;ve been to the States together.



    Any advice/tips is greatly received!




    I will make longer response soon. you have time to See some of the best of NW, Mt ST H, Columbia Gorge, Oregon Coast





    We landed in Glasgow, but quickly moved north to some of wife%26#39;s family homelands, Strachur for one




    I don%26#39;t post much about cities. I think NW has so much nature to see, with some limits on time i would spend most time at the outdoor sites





    From Seattle to Portland I would plan a day at Mt St Helens





    While in Portland drive out the Old Columbia Rive Hwy many nice waterfalls and great views to at least Hood River. return on Wash side.





    From Portland you can take OR-18 to Lincoln City, then head south along Oreg coast, Many stops you can make. For sure ones are Depoe Bay, Capefoulweather, Yaquina Head LH





    Spend some time on waterfront in Newport.





    Then from Yachats south Devils Churn, Cape Perpetua, Heceta Head LH.





    Then from Florence stop and see Dunes at least twice can hardly see them from 101. Dunes Overlook and Umpqua LH are two suggestions. Also drive into Lake Cleawox. see the dunes encroaching the lake.





    I suggest overnights Newport or Yachats, then next night Bandon, coast from Port Orford to Brookings deserves a few stops, Arch Rock is one.





    Then plan some time in Redwoods NP, visit units south of Crescent City, Jebediah Smith SO is not the best visit the first you come to





    Also drive Avenue of Giants south of Eureka, easy drive through some very big trees.

    Ever driven SF-Portland on the coast? Need suggestions, pls

    I am going to Portland, Oregon for a conference of sorts, with a friend, in the beginning of March. We decided to make it into a road trip and are going to drive from LA to Portland. I%26#39;ve done the LA -SF leg of the trip many times, but never drove North of SF. We would like to make a couple of overnight stops along the way, and spend a day or two in each place, plus some small stops.





    Any specific suggestions on some inresting/beautiful places to stop for a day or two and/or for a drive-through? Also, how would you space your overnight stops?





    We were thinking of going up the coast one way and coming back on the 5 Freeway, or vice versa, unless I%26#39;m told otherwise... (I already live by the ocean, so just seeing the ocean per se doesn%26#39;t qualify... )





    If anyone lives that way, is it a safe drive up the coast? Someone told me that it%26#39;s not too safe this time of year and very winding... Do I need snow tires on the Prius (I remember seeing something about Oregon snow tires law)?





    Thanks!!!



    Ever driven SF-Portland on the coast? Need suggestions, pls


    I haven%26#39;t done this trip yet but I%26#39;ve talked to quite a few people who have and have done a lot of research since I%26#39;m planning to do it in late March/early April (from Seattle to SF and back).





    I%26#39;m planning on stopping somewhere on the mid-to-southern Oregon coast (Bandon or so), then Trinidad CA, then Mendocino, then on to SF from there. Except for the first day, I%26#39;m trying to space my stops about 3-4 hours from each other so that I also have time to go hiking in Redwood National Park, etc. If you%26#39;re into wines, I%26#39;ve heard that the Anderson Valley near Mendocino is supposed to be a great place to explore.





    I did a trip in March down the Oregon coast to Crescent City, then cut over to Ashland via Rt. 199 years ago and didn%26#39;t have any problems with snow/weather other than quite a bit of rain.



    Ever driven SF-Portland on the coast? Need suggestions, pls


    Cal-1 along the Mendocino Coast is very scenic. It is a slow drive, much of it well above the ocean with limited nice stops. If time any factor I would consider not doing it. and make a separate trip to just do it. Mendocino is a nice stop, good area to spend a day. .





    The Oregon Coast drives better south bound because of the many stops you can make, more safely. Though in mar less of an issue.





    Cal coast at least for my wife drives better north bound where she is away from the dropoff to the ocean.





    I suggest you consider staying on 101 all the way




    The only thing in common with your home is the Pacific Ocean; the Oregon coast is another world, and the scenery will blow you away. Mile after beautiful mile with easy access through turnouts, state parks, towns, etc. Much praise for OR and Tom McCall for preserving so much for public use. Agree about staying on 101; route 1 can be torturous as in tiring and car sick and... you get the picture. Agree also about returning southbound on the OR coast. You won%26#39;t be disappointed. I hope some of the experts will post their ';things to see'; along the coastal route.




    Thank you so much!





    northwestwanderer, we also thought to space our travel at about 3 hours a day, ( going in the opposite to your direction) so we have time to explore. What would be a good interesting place to stop for a night or even two, about 6-7 hour drive away from Portland? It%26#39;s my friend%26#39;s birthday, so we want to be in one place for a night or two. I know the question sounds odd, but I am trying to time the drive going backward in time from the destination point, and after this big stop, I%26#39;d like to have one more overnight stop about 2-3 hour drive from Portland, if that makes sense...





    phirl, can you (or anyone else) please explain what you meant about the driving over a dropoff to the ocean? You%26#39;re scaring me now... :) And are there more nice stops along the 101? I am getting a little confused, maybe I should check the map again. I thought 101 becomes 1 after SF, more or less...





    Thanks again.




    If your budget permits I would do your 2nd to last stay at Tu Tu Tun Lodge in Gold Beach OR (southern OR coast)--it%26#39;s a very special, relaxing place. However, I%26#39;m not sure if they%26#39;ll be serving dinner yet (they don%26#39;t in the off-season) so you should check on that. If they aren%26#39;t, then your choices for fine dining in the area are on the limited side or at least they were the last time I was in the area--perhaps that has changed.





    I%26#39;ve also heard great things about a place called WildSpring Retreat in Port Orford--it got 4 stars in the latest edition of Northwest Best Places that just came out.




    T h a n k y o u






    101 south stays inland south of Garberville. Much faster than cal -1. has some nice scenery and some wine country, Sonoma Co.





    As for drop-off on Cal-1, my wife has a few places that scare her. That is one, but every one different. No place on oreg coast bothers her, then she is accustomed to that.




    As far as driving conditions in early march, I-5 should be ok as far as snow, but if there is a storm that happens to be on your travel day it might be kind of dicey over the Siskiyous(NCal/SOr border--I-5 was closed last night due to snowstorm). So you will still have to keep your eye out on the weather, but most likely it shoud be fine.





    As far as places to stay overnight along I-5 in Oregon- I%26#39;d recommend staying in Ashland right on the border. A great town and then about 6-7 hours to Portland(that would be in chinookgrrl time).





    There have been a few very good posts/strings lately on the SF-PDX along the coast lately-probably a few pages back.




    Thanks, Ch!




    pages 3(SirCharles?) %26amp; 4(SCtraveler) posts have coast stuff on it..

    nice place to live?

    Planning to relocate to Oregon at the end of March and am trying to find a smaller size town, with stuff to do, and a decent place to raise a kid (now 4 years old). I am and RN and have been offered a position at a hospital in McMinnville - but am unsure....


    Obviously I can handle lousy weather (I%26#39;m moving from Wisconsin!)but how is the rain, really?


    Also, my husband is a waiter, are there many decent restaurants?


    Lots of questions...any help would be appreciated!



    nice place to live?


    I grew up in the Portland area but spent four years living in McMinnville while attending Linfield College.





    Mac has certainly grown up since my college days, but it is still a very nice town with a strong sense of community. Several of the people I went to college with have made Mac their home, I think that says a lot about the kind of place it is. It%26#39;s small enough that you have that sense of community, but also large enough that you don%26#39;t feel like you%26#39;re living in a small town.





    Mac is in a great location. You%26#39;re about one hour from the Portland Metro area and about an hour from the coast. The Yamhill Valley is also one of the state%26#39;s top wine producing regions so there are a lot of vineyards. It%26#39;s very scenic.





    As far as ';decent restaurants'; I%26#39;m not so sure Mac has a lot of those, there are a few, but not like you%26#39;d find in a larger city, such as Portland.





    And as for rain, I personally don%26#39;t think it rains in Oregon as much as people say. Yes it does rain alot, but there are just as many grey and cloudy days as rainy days. Although I have to admit since moving to Las Vegas I really miss rain. Never thought I%26#39;d say that but it%26#39;s true!





    My husband grew up in Wisconsin and he now loves Oregon as much as I do. If we didn%26#39;t already have our retirement home in Lincoln City we%26#39;d move to Mac.





    I hope this helps.



    nice place to live?


    If I had a job in McMinnville I would live there. There are several smaller towns nearby if you really want small, but Mac is relatively small. we have checked out retiring there, if my wife ever does, and it would be good place. but I do not need to repeat other poster who lived there.





    Spirit Mountain Casino is 20 miles from Mac. Possible place for your husband to work. they have 2 or 3 restaurants. some of the several wineries nearby have restaurants, McMenamins has one in downtown mac but it is not full of fine restaurants.




    There was an interesting news bit about real estate in McMinnville just a few days ago. We cannot post links here, but go to the KATU website and in the search box put in McMinnville and the article is dated 2/13.





    We have a friend that lives there and absolutely loves it for raising their family. Another friend is a teacher there, and loves it as well.




    Mtngirl,





    They changed the rules - you can post the link now. Now it%26#39;s just advertising and soliciting that is the problem.





    I%26#39;d still be careful when linking to hotels, though, or anything else that TA sells.





    News articles are OK, they say (now).




    Thanks J%26amp;S!




    I also went to school at Linfield College and then lived there for a couple of years afterward. It definitely is a great town if you can handle the rain.





    I would recommend living near the library in 5th - 12 street range. There are a number of nice older homes. The neighborhood is safe and people drive slow. The trees a large and mature. It simply feels like home. There is a big park next to the library.





    There are a few restaurants, not very many high end one. I would recommend McMennamins, 3rd Street Pizza and Golden Valley Brewery. The college also employs a lot of people, which might also be a good place for your husband to work. If your husband likes catering he should go to the Community Center and talk to Lynnette. She runs a quality catering business.





    Hope this all helps.




    Hi! As you can probably see, I live in McMinnville. My husband and I have lived here for almost 7 years and love it. We%26#39;re actually a little sad that it%26#39;s growing so fast. But it%26#39;s a wonderful town-just about the right size. Still small town feel, but has enough stores for everyday shopping-groceries, a couple department stores. It%26#39;s pretty safe-I really can%26#39;t think of a dangerous area of town. We feel fairly safe going walking after dark, and the police patrol regularly. We know several families that have moved out of the Portland area to raise their kids here.



    There are quite a few small restaurants-often family-owned, I think. Most aren%26#39;t chain restaurants, except for fast food. We like several of the restaurants in town (haven%26#39;t been to all of them). If your husband is looking for a larger really nice restaurant, not sure what there is, but with the relatively close proximity to Portland metro area, Salem, and other towns, there is probably something that would work.



    The hospital has a good reputation and I know several people that work there. One of the main medical centers of doctor%26#39;s offices is right across the street.



    About the rain, I personally don%26#39;t care for the rain, but it%26#39;s endurable, and worth it in the spring and summer when the area is beautiful, green, and lots of flowers, etc. because of it. Sometimes it feels like days on end with no sun, but then finally we%26#39;ll have a few days of sun. In the winter, it is overcast and drippy a lot. If you don%26#39;t like the rain/gray days, you can always visit another part of the state for a weekend-the other side of the Cascades is much less rainy. It actually gets gets pretty warm here in the summer-most of the people I know have air conditioners. We probably get around 5-10 days in the summer that are close to or just over 100 degrees, though most aren%26#39;t. A lot of peope escape to the beach (an hour away) on the really hot days.



    Compared to Wisconsin, the weather in the winter probably will feel pretty mild temperature-wise. My husband%26#39;s on a business trip to Minnesota right now, and thinks it%26#39;s really, really cold there.




    Hey Local Guy,





    When were you at Linfield?





    Tahiti




    The original poster only had this one post, and it is over a year old, but I will just chime in on how much I like Mac...and I don%26#39;t live there, lol! But really, it is a great little town. I am down there a few times a week and love it. If we were not settled, I would love to live there.





    Localguy--I saw your review for Wildwood. One of our favorite spots! That and Alf%26#39;s with Elvis, lol! I have Tahiti to thank for the Alf%26#39;s recommendation.

    driving to portland

    My husband and I are driving to Portland from Seattle to stay for one night. Are we better to drive into the city and stay in a hotel or stay in the outskirts and get public transport into the city. Also, which hotel should we stay in





    Cheers



    driving to portland


    Definitely try to stay right in the downtown area. Much easier that way. What is your budget for a hotel? I saw from your other posts that you were trying to stay around $100 for a Seattle hotel. If that is the same budget, then that limits you, but don%26#39;t worry. The Kennedy School would definitely fit in that budget, is a lot of fun, and is just a short 5 minute or so drive from downtown. The website for that is www.mcmenamins.com and then click on hotels, then Kennedy School. One hotel that is not too far over the $100/nt is the Inn at Northrup Station, in the NW part of downtown (some tourists insist on calling it Nob Hill...but that is another story, lol!). Walkable to everything and in a fun area with lots of unique shops and restaurants. If these are not what you are looking for, then you might want to use Priceline. There are lots of nice hotels here, so if your budget is different, just let us know and I am sure everyone will have more suggestions.



    driving to portland


    The Kennedy School is a very cool place, I%26#39;d definitely second that recommendation.




    If you decide on the Kennedy School, it is easy to drive into the NW area (Downtown , the Pearl etc)..I hardly ever take the trains but the light rail is easy too.



    www.pova.com to see if any of the hotels in town are offering specials..The 5th Ave Suites is but they are still kind of expensive.



    A few people have told me they really were happy with the Mark Spencer hotel too.



    There are hotels here for every budget.





    Yes, Mtngrl is right, I asked someone once ( a local) if they knew where ';Nob Hill'; was and they answered, San Francisco..



    You won%26#39;t need a car once you are in town, with walking and streetcars.




    If you want to stay in a hotel that is a bit less expensive than the downtown hotels, you can stay at a nice 3 star hotel near the convention center or Lloyd Center and just hop on and off the max line. It is free to downtown. I stayed this weekend at the Doubletree Hotel across from Lloyd Center and it was very comfortable and very reasonably priced using Hotwire.com. The Kennedy School is a blast to visit, but you will definitely need your car to get to and from downtown. But, they have so much to do there you may not want to go downtown....movie theatre, different bars, restaurants, etc. Very fun place to visit. Enjoy your stay.




    The Lloyd Center has had some unpleasant crimes lately, I think I would avoid that area...not to mention the amount of car theft .




    We have stayed at the Parklane Suites in Portland. It is reasonably priced and close to public transportation.




    I would recommend the Holiday Inn Express on NW Vaughn Street. It is close to downtown and right off the 405 freeway. The average price for a room there is around 106 bucks. It is in the ';Nob Hill'; district. A very nice old neighborhood. Parking is free at the motel. You could easily walk to the downtown ';Pearl District'; from there. Driving into downtown from there is a snap as well. Just take 23rd to Burnside, turns left on Burnside and you will go right into downtown.





    Or you could just explore all of the eclectic shops and eateries on NW 23rd and 22nd streets. Which are basically right across the street from the motel.





    Enjoy your trip!




    The Holiday Inn is on Vaughn, the 23rd Street shopping area really begins around Marshall..9 blocks away with a lot of condo construction going on in between.. Vaughn is not horrible for one night but in my opinion, a last resort. It is right where all the highways converge and on the edges of the Industrial area.




    light sleeper, sorry to be contradictory but I really don%26#39;t think that the Holiday Inn is anywhere close to being an easy walk to the Pearl District.



    We walk a lot ( we live in the Pearl) but that is quite a long walk, over 20 + blocks..




    I have to agree with Scarlett on this location. There are so many other options for hotels within your budget, so why stay near the industrial area?